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发表于 2021-6-19 20:26:08 | 显示全部楼层 |阅读模式 来自: 中国河北石家庄
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之前也有经常会问到,QRH与MEL在某些条目上的区别。


前天刚好又提及到了,所以,在这里简单总结一下。



01

START VALVE OPEN指示


QRH:

关于QRH与MEL的区别-1.jpg

关于QRH与MEL的区别-2.jpg


MEL:

关于QRH与MEL的区别-3.jpg


问题

  机组在地面起动过程中出现起动活门保持在开位指示,按照检查单的话,最后就是关车。但MEL上可以放,但要确定活门位置。


注:其实,这里MEL也是不能直接放的,因为当START VALVE OPEN 灯指示出现时,相关的PRSOV 将被指令关闭,这将造成相应的发动机无法提供引气,所以还得按MEL36-5保留。




02

COWL VALVE OPEN或TAI指示


QRH:

关于QRH与MEL的区别-4.jpg


MEL:

关于QRH与MEL的区别-5.jpg


问题

  每台发动机整流罩防冰活门位置都有两个指示:P5板上的COWL VALVE OPEN灯和DU上的TAI 指示。

  当只有其中一个指示异常时,QRH中为什么没有给出步骤确认去哪个指示异常哪个指示正常?


这是我之前问过厂家的问题,SR# 3-4533304265:

Q:

There are two cowl anti-ice indications for each engine.One is TAI indication on CDS,another is COWL VALVE OPEN lights on the anti-ice panel.


Refer to QRH NNC 3.2 for COWL VALVE OPEN.Why are there no steps to verify that another indication is normal when there is only one abnormal indication?


A:

The ENGINE COWL VALVE OPEN OR TAI INDICATION NNC condition statement reads:

"One or both of the following occurs:

-An engine COWL VALVE OPEN light stays illuminated bright blue

-An amber TAI indication is shown."


Note the use to the phrase "one or both". The purpose of the checklist is to safely operate the airplane with a failed cowl anti-ice valve. Only one of the two possible indications is required to determine that the valve is failed and the checklist should be performed. The checklist is not intended to troubleshoot the cowl anti-ice valve indicating system, thus there are no steps to identify and incorrect indication. The crew should regard any cowl anti-ice valve failure indication as valid.



03

MEL 21章中O项确认故障问题


MEL:

关于QRH与MEL的区别-6.jpg


问题

  MEL 21-21-02-01:驾驶舱温度控制系统,737-800的主/备用模式,安装数量是两个,放行所需数量是一个。操作程序(O)用于在一个驾驶舱温度控制系统失效时的情况下,检查其余的驾驶舱温度控制系统(主或备用)工作正常。

  但是即使驾驶舱温度控制系统主和备用都失效了,O项还是能通过。


这也是我之前问过的问题。SR# 3-3132380786


Q:


I have another questions for MMEL 21-21-02-01,Flight Deck Temperature Control Systems,Primary / Back-up Modes for 737-800, Installed quantity is two and required quantity is one.


The OPERATIONS(O) procedure is used to verify normal operation of the remaining flight deck temperature control system (Primary or Back-up).


But if both the Primary and Back-up Modes are INOP and the left pack temperature control systems is normal,still this OPERATIONS(O) procedure will passed.


A:


The (O) procedure in MMEL/DDG 21-21-02-01 assumes that maintenance has done troubleshooting to verify that either the primary OR back-up mode is inoperative. If maintenance determines that both the primary AND back-up modes are inoperative then MMEL/DDG 21-21-02-02A or 21-21-02-02B would be used for dispatch and not MMEL/DDG 21-21-02-01.



MEL:

关于QRH与MEL的区别-7.jpg


这也是我之前问过的问题。SR# 4-3030192626


Q:


Refer to the SDS 21-60-00,a failure of the ram air temperature sensor or interface,or ram air door actuator or interface will causes the PACK light to come on only when the master caution system is recalled and will extinguish when reset.


In this condition,can we use DDG-21-32?or we must use DDG-21-05.


For my point,the DDG-21-32 is for Pack Temperature Control System,if the fault code is RAM AIR in PZTC bite,we can not use the DDG-21-32 to dispatch the airplane even if the AIR COND and associated PACK light can extinguish when Master Caution reset.That 's because the the ram air temperature sensor and ram air door actuator belong to the Pack Ram Air Systems and not the Pack Temperature Control System.


A:


The appropriate 737 MMEL/DDG item is 21-05 when the ram air system is determined to be the source of the fault. The Boeing Fault Isolation Manual (FIM) is the first reference to be used for determining what has caused a fault to appear. The FIM information is then used to determine what repair should be undertaken and/or what dispatch relief to pursue. Although the Aircraft Maintenance Manual (AMM) provides excellent system description information, it is not intended for use in diagnosing a problem. As you noted, if the FIM had identified the Pack Temperature Control System as the cause for a PACK Fault to annunciate, then MMEL/DDG item 21-32 would be available for dispatch relief if all the provisos are met.


综上,虽然MEL和QRH同为机组手册,并且都有机组需要执行的操作程序,但个人认为


1. MEL是机务已经确认过了故障源,然后办理了保留,机组是在这种情况下执行O项的。比如问题1中:机务之前已经确认过了为START VALVE OPEN指示问题,不是活门开关问题,按MEL飞机放行,然后机组每次还是要按MEL的O项每次起动时再次进行确认。


2. 机务通常不能直接通过MEL的O项去判断故源,一般是通过FIM、系统原理来判断。


3. 如非必要,手册不会让机组去判断故障,而是让机组采取一些必要的措施,保持安全的飞行状态。


4. 还有人会问有些故障相应的QRH是没有处置要求的,而MEL是不能放行的。其实很简单,MEL比QRH要求会更高。出现故障后,MEL是用来继续放行的,而QRH是用来继续飞行的。也就是说,MEL要保证安全余度,在当前故障导致系统失效情况下,还要确保按MEL放行后再出现故障导致进一步失效后,还能安全飞行







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